Devil’s Advocate – Someone who takes an opposing position for the sake of argument, regardless of whether they agree with the stance they defend or not. This column will do just that, take a point of QQ and argue the opposite side.
“A bright and shiny new day. I feel like playing some World of Warcraft.”
“Now. Who shall I play today? I think my Paladin, let’s see if I can get a raid group and beat up some monsters. I certainly hope I don’t run into an awkward player demanding insane achievements.”
“Bloody players. I have the gear and the experience and because I don’t have one line of freaking pixels I can’t play! It’s TOC 10 for crying out loud, you can faceroll it. Sod that I’ll go find something else to do…”
*Clicks email button*
I’m sorry I can’t let you do that Dave… I mean Nec
“Uhh what?”
I can’t let you do that Nec
“Why not?”
You have to link the achieve
“What achieve?”
“I’m sorry… wait what? Achievements don’t apply in real life?”
They do now, Da.. Nec
“How am I supposed to open my mail if you won’t let me open my mail until I’ve opened my mail!?”
That’s your problem
“Fine then. I’ll just not open my mail, I’ll go play Company of Heroes”
Link Achieve
“What achieve!?”
“Eh? That doesn’t make any sense. Why would I need to link an achieve for one game in order to play another? That’s like demanding a TOC 25 Heroic Achieve for a Naxx 10 run!”
That’s your problem
“This conversation can serve no purpose anymore, goodbye!”
*unplug computer*
“Right, I need a walk. Today has been exhausting… eh? Why won’t the door open?”
Link achieve
“You gotta be kidding me. I’ve opened a million doors in the past, how do you think I got in here without opening the door”
Look Necrall, I can see you’re really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over
“Think things over!? Im locked in a room and can’t do anything without needing a bloody stupid achieve! Who’s idea was it to require achieves for insignificant things anyway!? I can understand it if you’re doing a Timed run or a tribute chests in TOC 25 Heroic but for something as basic as THIS!?”
I’m sorry, I can’t let you get angry Nec
“Why the hell not!?!?”
Link Achieve
“GRAAARG…”
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Generally the people who look for achievements are those from either shitty guilds/unguilded who seek an easy life. Persoanlly I’d like an achievement which in one fell swoop tells people that I’ve played the game for 5 years, Raided 40 man, know my class inside out and that link seekers should eff off and skitter their keks.
Hehe nice little article. However I can sort of understand why people want Achievements linked but beyond that checking through the persons gear and other achievements should be surfice.
Great piece, I am not a fan for the whole link achievements, but I dont pug raids so it does not affect me. However they are here to stay and more people are adopting them, sadly on Horde you see this often now, which was not the case a few months ago. It is the raid leaders choice afterall, however if you to choose to lead a raid and if you require achievements to be linked, at least make sure you have the one.
I don’t agree with the achievment linkage because everyones gotta start somewhere, as long as they are geared it is fine.
If I’m bored I’ll go have a look on armoury for the raid leader who is demanding the achieve and see if they have it, if not, adding some sarcastic comment in trade chat is always nice “so xyz I see you want achieve for this ICC run, but it seems armoury says YOU don’t have it, I guess it must just be slow to update eh?”
You can get mods now that will create the achievement link to get around this arsey behaviour so unless they go on armoury then your toon with the right gear and experience but just not having that last little box ticked on it can raid away merrily.
At least till they start demanding silly gear score
Classic
.. You’re so damn right!.. The only possibility most of the time is to be there when the new instances/wings are live. If you’re a few days late you’re going to miss the most precious achievements and people just won’t invite you to the raid anymore…
It sucks
Originally I was going to add Gearscore into this too, but I couldn’t think how to apply Gearscore to real life.
You must have so many thick muscles to open this door?
Theres a mod to get around Gearscore too now – doesnt work if the person is close enough to inspect you – but if not it can give a fake GS.
Gear score in real life would, I guess, be going to a club in your shirt and tie and the bouncer says, sorry, your gear is not a good enough brand name to come here even though it’s perfectly functional, then letting in some moron wearing gucci trousers on his head and a versace jacket back to front on his legs as the “brand” is better
The idea of someone being picked purely for having high level items over someone who knows what to do is silly now with the ease of getting 232/245 gear, a dedicated pug RL should be checking suitability of gear, gems, enchants and even talent spec.
A good example from a pug lfg last night, was a DK with dual wield 1H swords, with 71 points in frost spec and some tank epics (no gems / chants) along side some dps gear of blue/green quality. He was putting out under 700 dps even on bosses. Now if you take him as 2 weeks later he may well have a load of 232 badge gear and still be the wrong spec and gear setup yet might get a suitable GS.
Sorry should have said Unholy spec
Or my Warlock with Illustration of the Dragon Soul and Abyssal Rune. Both ilev 200 trinkies yet still pretty damn awesome.
Link Achieve is one thing I can understand the reason for, GearScore I don’t XD
Just prior to Christmas to kill some time and to get 15 badges closer to another piece of PvP gear I joined a pug run for ToC10. The run was very messy as if people didn’t know what to do but most had the achievement, not all but I’m not one to force achieves on people anyhow.
On beasts for example we ended up taking the last 2m off Icehowl with myself (a healer), a tank and the 1 remaining dps because moving out of the way of charge appeared to be quite a challenge for some. On Lord J we had people standing in Legion Flame and people running away from the healers when they had incinerating flesh.
I honestly don’t know how we managed to clear that run but it goes to prove that you can get carried through content to earn an achieve to buy a ticket to pugs for the future, where as people with nice geared alts who can do this with their eye’s closed are denied any kind of raid.
The thing I found most amusing was one of the fails in that raid the next day was trying to pull a pug together for the heroic version, requesting the achieve for it even though he didn’t have it (nor had he even experienced it) and after only being dragged through the normal mode the day before earning his achieve by spending 70% of the raid dead.
Both gearscore and achievement link are to help the raidleader.
sure there will always be newbs around but you try to filter them out as soon as possible by using gearscore and achievement.
but if I understand correctly, you all hate gearscore and achievements..
so I think when you lead a pug raid, these are your steps:
1. Look for a player
2. Go to his location and inspect him
3. Interview his raiding knowledge
4. Run a testrun with the player in a dungeon
and then you repeat this for the other 9 or 24 people?
Gearscore and achievement are not even close to 100% newbproof.
but they both take about 30seconds to check and it filters out some badly geared people.
However if you want to make sure you don’t get a newb in your raid I dare you to follow the steps above and it will take you about 30minutes to recruit 1 single person, that comes down to 12hours for preparation for a 25man raid, that is ofc when people dont leave in the meanwhile.
Anyways, this doesnt mean I didnt liked the lil story you wrote nec, it was funny ^^
I disagree that it takes 30 mins per person, armoury takes you about 20s at most, sure linking the achieve is ok but then you miss out on people who are good enough just not on the main. For an example horde side, do I pug with someone from say Omen who happens to be on an alt and just hasn’t done ToC 10 on that toon or random nub whose idea of gear is to have a mix of tank and dps gear with no enchants or gems (with a worthless spec) who happens to be on a decent GS from high level items?
Say we just go with it, link achieve, gs of xyz, then you start raid and a few people do 1000dps and die all the time as they don’t know the tactics and got carried through on 25 man and wipe on Icehowl as they don’t run from the charge
you do realise that you are playing a multiplayer game, right?
the reason “who is missing out just because he is on an alt and hasnt done the raid” is just lame.
that means both of you are to scared to talk to eachother and explain the situation.
If I get a person that is on an alt and he says that to me, Ill just check his gearscore (just to make sure its not a freshly made 5man dungeon alt) and take him with me.
and like I said, its not 100% newbproof. but then again, nothing is unless you know every single person or run testruns with every single person.
I honestly think the raidleader is usually the problem, not the others.
You WILL wipe the 1st try, and that is good.
it gives you time to think it though, are we getting close? do I need to replace some people who have tried to fool me with pefethic mods to link fake achieves or gearscores? shall I repeat tacts again and hammer on this 1 thing that needs to be payed attention to?
Most raidleaders are so shy, and yet the job is so important. all 10 or 25 players dont know eachother, the synergy between them is ground zero. YOU are the person to build it up during that 1 short raid. What I usually do is let them arrange things themselves, like healers and tanks. Just let them chat a bit and sort out MT and OT the way they like it. takes a little bit of time? yes. but its so much better then shouting: “you MT, you OT. go!”
And also, kicking someone doesnt have to be a bad thing. dont just say NEWB LOLOL SUCKY DPS /kick. for example, whisper the guy first and tell him that you cant progress with his dps / tact knowledge / whatever. when he is your class or any class you have secure knowledge about give him some advice.. tell him where the shiny easy upgrades are findable, what spec might be easier to master for him and what website he can use for advice. In 99.9% of the cases he will thank you and leave himself.
WoW is such a cool game when you can work together and be nice to eachother. Yet so many people are to dumb to even communicate properly. Threat people the way you want to be threaten.
thanks for the attention on my “How to be nice” tuturial ^^
(this was NOT personally directed to Farfetch)
(Quoting myself)
Gearscore and achievement are not even close to 100% newbproof.
but they both take about 30seconds to check and it filters out some badly geared people.
badly geared, specced and unexpierenced people I ment ofc.
Just a question though to some people who always have and still do pug raids? Has the quality of pug raids improved with “link achievement” and Gear score from the old days of just an inspect or Armory check?
No improvements, just a quick way to filter (like armory and inspect)
but instead of going to the person for an inspect or going to inet for wowarmory you use gearscore.
Its quicker and makes life more lazy. perfect imo.
Ultimately I think these tools are like most other tools. To be used in moderation and as an aid not the rule.
If somebody uses achieve linking and gearscore properly, then they can form a fairly decent well geared raid that has a good chance of beating the bosses.
Unfortunately people took this so far as to ignore everything else and make them the required rule (even needing stupid things like TOC 25 Heroic achieve for a Naxx run), so much so that addons had to be created to fake achievements and people wear ‘their GS gear’, useless items with high-levs simply to get past the mod.
I don’t think there’s any coming back from that now, the idea to limit actual noobs has been neutered by its overuse and abuse. Now, as it was before, the best way to check is to alt+tab to armoury and look them up and maybe have a short chat.
In my opinion, the only way Gearscore can be salvaged is if it pulls data from the armoury and gives a list of all the gems and enchants as well as ilev score and compare that to a ‘stat ratio’ list for each class. Insane amount of work to be honest.
In other news: Yay, DA is fulfilling its purpose and sparking conversation.
I love conversations and I love making a discusion, even when I totally agree with someone xD dunno why, I just do it… when you say my sweater is blue, Ill say its aqua.. just because I can ^^
this lil annoying thingy of mine goes hand in hand with my thingy to always want to be right (or atleast that the person I talk with gives up and says Im right just to get rid of me, either one will do) ^^
Awesome!!!
GS of 3K or gtfo
Achieves seem to be old hat now